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My Thoughts On Learning Languages

In my opinion, in order to learn a language well, one may need at least nine years to study (let us assume that the learners are not living in their target language speaking countries).

No matter how hard the learners study, their learning time is still less, but if they live in their target language speaking countries, they will learn very quickly because even if they are reluctant to study, they will still have a lot of time to study passively.

People around the learners speak the learners' target language, the environment surrounding the learners is full of their target language, and the learners can use their target language every day.

So if you have the chance to live in a country where people speak your target language, please take all the advantages of it. Study hard and you will save about 60 percent of the time it will take when you study in your native country.

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My Thoughts On Learning Languages

In my opinion, in order to learn a language well, one may need at least nine years tof study (let us assume that the learners are not living in countries where their target language speaking countriess are spoken).

Why nine years, specifically?

Here you’ve used the pronoun “one,” which is formal, but by the end of this post you’re using “you,” which is informal. Consistency is usually better, unless there’s some reason you wanted to change the tone mid-post.

No matter how hard the learners study, their learning time is still lessimited, but if they live in their target language speaking countries, they will learn very quickly because, even if they are reluctant to study, they will still have a lot of time to studylearn passively.

Studying is always active. Learning can be either active or passive.

People around the learners speak the learners' target language, the environment surrounding the learners is full of their target language, and the learners can use their target language every day.

So if you have the chance to live in a country where people speak your target language, please take all the advantages of it.

“All” adds emphasis but could be omitted.

Study hard and you will save about 60 percent of the time [it will take when you study | it would take if you studied] in your native country.

Are you saying that it would take at least 3.6 years (40% of 9 years) if you studied in a target-language country?

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Interesting topic. I suppose it depends on one’s definition of what it means to “learn a language well,” and on how similar the target language is to one’s native language. For example, it’s a lot easier for a typical native Italian speaker to learn Spanish or a native Dutch speaker to learn German than it is for, say, a native Mandarin speaker to learn French.

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In my opinion, in order to learn a language well, one may need at least nine years tof study (let us assume that the learners are not living in countries where their target language speaking countriess are spoken).

By saying that, I mean seeing oneself as a native kid, he or she will study in kindergarten for 3 years and primary school for 6 years. Usually, a native elementary school graduate can be good at listening, speaking, reading and writing in their mother language.

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Study hard and you will save about 60 percent of the time [it will take when you study | it would take if you studied] in your native country.

Yes, that’s exactly what I mean.

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Nov. 16, 2022

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Sorry, I ignored the level of similarities between the two different languages. This entry is only based on the experience of a Chinese speaker learning English. Thank you very much.

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Nov. 16, 2022

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By saying that, I mean seeing oneself as a native kid, he or she will study in kindergarten for 3 years and primary school for 6 years. Usually, a native elementary school graduate can be good at listening, speaking, reading and writing in their mother language.

Sorry, I don’t understand. Your reply seems to be about native learners, but in the original sentence you said we should assume they are NOT native language learners. Have I misunderstood?

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Nov. 16, 2022

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我是这样想的:一般情况下,母语人士小学毕业后基本已能熟练运用他们的语言,所以就以这个时间为标准。这个时间是多少呢?以中国为例,小学毕业时他已经学了九年语言了(三年在幼儿园,六年在小学)所以我觉得学一门外语至少要九年。

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Nov. 16, 2022

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你是说,因为中国小孩在中国学好中文要花费 9 年,所以中国人在中国学好【英文】同样的要花 9 年,但是中国人在【美国】学好英文只要话费 3.6 年,对不对?

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Nov. 17, 2022

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你是说,因为中国小孩在中国学好中文要花费 9 年,所以中国人在中国学好【英文】同样的要花 9 年,但是中国人在【美国】学好英文只要话费 3.6 年,对不对?

基本是这个意思。中国人在中国学习中文要花费9年,在中国学习英文应该大于9年才对,所以我用了最少俩字,因为毕竟中国没有英文环境,所以用的时间还要长一些。对的,如果中国人在中国学英语需要9年,那么他在美国3.6年足够了,甚至还可以更短。因为他已经生活在一个到处充斥着英文的环境,想不进步都不行。另外,话费是指电话费用,这里你要用花费才对。

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Nov. 17, 2022

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好的,我明白了!谢谢你解释的这么清楚。

> 另外,话费是指电话费用,
> 这里你要用花费才对。
啊!我又写了错别字
m(_ _)m

In my opinion, in order to learn a language well, one may need at least nine years to study (let us assume that the learners are not living in their target -language -speaking countries).

even better phrasing would be:
(assuming that the learners aren't living in a country that speaks their target language)

No matter how hard the learners study, their learning timtotal time spent with the language is still less, but (?) than if they live in their target language speaking countries,; they will learn very quickly because, even if they are reluctant to study, they will still have a lot of time to study passively.

ok this correction is kind of a mess, but i wasn't sure what you meant with "their learning time is still less." less than what? i assume you mean no matter how hard someone studies, if they live outside a place that uses their TL, they will have comparatively less time with their TL compared to someone who DOES live in a place that uses their TL. unfortunately that's a really, really long phrase so i kind of messed up your sentence with it :,( if i'm correct in guessing what you meant, the sentence afterwards (I had to break it up into 2, because with my correction, your sentence would be like a paragraph long) should say "the latter" or "those people" instead of "they" to clarify that you're talking about the people living in their TL.
i've made a bit of a run-on sentence here so if you don't understand i can clarify

and "even if they are reluctant to study" is an aside / interjected comment; you could put it hypothetically anywhere in that sentence, so it gets separated with commas.
that's something most native speakers would probably omit, but you write really formally so i'm trying to be Very Correct with my corrections lol

People around the learners speak the learners' target language, the environment surrounding the learners is full of their target language, and the learners can use their target language every day.

nothing grammatically wrong, just that the second item in that list (the environment is full of their TL) is kind of redundant, since you basically said it already with the first item (people speak the TL)
i know you're implying signs and stuff are also written in the TL, but when you say the whole environment is full of their TL, that also includes people speaking it. which is like. the bulk of language learning

i feel like a high school english teacher but your english is so good and formal :,)

So if you have the chance to live in a country where people speak your target language, please take all thefull advantages of it.

not grammatically incorrect, but "take full advantage of it" is common phrase i hear all-together like that. so it sounds more natural than "take all the advantages of it," the latter just sounds like a new recreation of the same thing. (which is probably because it is lol)

Study hard and you will save about 60 percent of the time it will take when you study in your native country.

i'm confused what this means

study my TL hard (assumingly in my native country or on my own) and i will save 60% of the time i would have spent studying in my native country/on my own? the rest of your writing was encouraging people to move to an area that uses their TL, so i'm confused why this suddenly says "study hard" and i'll save time when i study in my own country. also it's kind of confusing what the 60% is - i'll make 60% more progress in the same time if i go to a TL-speaking-country? how do i save 60% of my time, i'll spend 60% less time getting to the same level if i live in a TL-speaking country than if i just stayed in my native country? maybe im tired and cant think straight idk

i think you meant something more like "Immerse yourself and you'll make much faster progress than if you studied in your native country." ?

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you write very formally so i'm thinking maybe the reason i couldn't understand some stuff was because i'm too tired perhaps. but then i can usually decipher what people mean when they jumble their words so idk. i'll look back at this in a few hours and see if this was just a me-problem lol

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Nov. 16, 2022

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No matter how hard the learners study, their learning timtotal time spent with the language is still less, but (?) than if they live in their target language speaking countries,; they will learn very quickly because, even if they are reluctant to study, they will still have a lot of time to study passively.

Yes. I mean a Chinese person studies English in China, no matter how hard he studies, the total effective time he spent on learning is still little, still not enough, compared with if he lived in the US. If he lived in an English-speaking country, he would learn English all the time, even though he was not aware.

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Nov. 16, 2022

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Study hard and you will save about 60 percent of the time it will take when you study in your native country.

Sorry that I didn't make myself clear. Yes, your decipher is absolutely correct. Immersing yourself can make much faster progress. You are an English speaker. If you want to learn Chinese, the fastest way is to learn Chinese in China, thus you would use 60 percent less of the time that you would use when you study Chinese in your native country. Again, to achieve the same Chinese level, if you need to study for ten years while you are in your native country, you would only need to study for four years if you lived in China.

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Nov. 16, 2022

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Thank you very much for giving me a lot of corrections and explanations.

My Thoughts On Learning Languages


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In my opinion, in order to learn a language well, one may need at least nine years to study (let us assume that the learners are not living in their target language speaking countries).


In my opinion, in order to learn a language well, one may need at least nine years to study (let us assume that the learners are not living in their target -language -speaking countries).

even better phrasing would be: (assuming that the learners aren't living in a country that speaks their target language)

In my opinion, in order to learn a language well, one may need at least nine years tof study (let us assume that the learners are not living in countries where their target language speaking countriess are spoken).

Why nine years, specifically? Here you’ve used the pronoun “one,” which is formal, but by the end of this post you’re using “you,” which is informal. Consistency is usually better, unless there’s some reason you wanted to change the tone mid-post.

No matter how hard the learners study, their learning time is still less, but if they live in their target language speaking countries, they will learn very quickly because even if they are reluctant to study, they will still have a lot of time to study passively.


No matter how hard the learners study, their learning timtotal time spent with the language is still less, but (?) than if they live in their target language speaking countries,; they will learn very quickly because, even if they are reluctant to study, they will still have a lot of time to study passively.

ok this correction is kind of a mess, but i wasn't sure what you meant with "their learning time is still less." less than what? i assume you mean no matter how hard someone studies, if they live outside a place that uses their TL, they will have comparatively less time with their TL compared to someone who DOES live in a place that uses their TL. unfortunately that's a really, really long phrase so i kind of messed up your sentence with it :,( if i'm correct in guessing what you meant, the sentence afterwards (I had to break it up into 2, because with my correction, your sentence would be like a paragraph long) should say "the latter" or "those people" instead of "they" to clarify that you're talking about the people living in their TL. i've made a bit of a run-on sentence here so if you don't understand i can clarify and "even if they are reluctant to study" is an aside / interjected comment; you could put it hypothetically anywhere in that sentence, so it gets separated with commas. that's something most native speakers would probably omit, but you write really formally so i'm trying to be Very Correct with my corrections lol

No matter how hard the learners study, their learning time is still lessimited, but if they live in their target language speaking countries, they will learn very quickly because, even if they are reluctant to study, they will still have a lot of time to studylearn passively.

Studying is always active. Learning can be either active or passive.

People around the learners speak the learners' target language, the environment surrounding the learners is full of their target language, and the learners can use their target language every day.


People around the learners speak the learners' target language, the environment surrounding the learners is full of their target language, and the learners can use their target language every day.

nothing grammatically wrong, just that the second item in that list (the environment is full of their TL) is kind of redundant, since you basically said it already with the first item (people speak the TL) i know you're implying signs and stuff are also written in the TL, but when you say the whole environment is full of their TL, that also includes people speaking it. which is like. the bulk of language learning i feel like a high school english teacher but your english is so good and formal :,)

This sentence has been marked as perfect!

So if you have the chance to live in a country where people speak your target language, please take all the advantages of it.


So if you have the chance to live in a country where people speak your target language, please take all thefull advantages of it.

not grammatically incorrect, but "take full advantage of it" is common phrase i hear all-together like that. so it sounds more natural than "take all the advantages of it," the latter just sounds like a new recreation of the same thing. (which is probably because it is lol)

So if you have the chance to live in a country where people speak your target language, please take all the advantages of it.

“All” adds emphasis but could be omitted.

Study hard and you will save about 60 percent of the time it will take when you study in your native country.


Study hard and you will save about 60 percent of the time it will take when you study in your native country.

i'm confused what this means study my TL hard (assumingly in my native country or on my own) and i will save 60% of the time i would have spent studying in my native country/on my own? the rest of your writing was encouraging people to move to an area that uses their TL, so i'm confused why this suddenly says "study hard" and i'll save time when i study in my own country. also it's kind of confusing what the 60% is - i'll make 60% more progress in the same time if i go to a TL-speaking-country? how do i save 60% of my time, i'll spend 60% less time getting to the same level if i live in a TL-speaking country than if i just stayed in my native country? maybe im tired and cant think straight idk i think you meant something more like "Immerse yourself and you'll make much faster progress than if you studied in your native country." ?

Study hard and you will save about 60 percent of the time [it will take when you study | it would take if you studied] in your native country.

Are you saying that it would take at least 3.6 years (40% of 9 years) if you studied in a target-language country?

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