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GOAT

This weekend, I finally had some time to work on my American pronunciation. I watched a couple of videos about the so-called ''GOAT'' vowel, a diphthong you guys pronounce in the word ''goat''. A few people have already pointed out that I tend to mispronounce this vowel, so this was my main focus yesterday.
Last summer was the first time I started working on my accent. Back then, I had a rather thick Russian accent, and as with almost everything I undertake, I started learning about phonetics on my own. I think a lot of people neglect this aspect of language learning and don't pay enough attention to their pronunciation at the very beginning, therefore ingraining incorrect pronunciation habits. Unfortunately, I had also made that mistake, greatly increasing the amount of work I need to put in in order to get to my goal, speaking General American. In order to not make the same mistake again, I started working on my German pronunciation from day one. Over time, I also learned to read IPA (International Phonetics Alphabet), which can come very handy when dealing with rare words and old dictionaries.


1) (goat, boat, coat, road, home, hope, rope, soap, nose, rose, close, stone, phone, bone, tone, broke, woke, spoke, smoke, joke, choke, note, vote, wrote, code) - https://voca.ro/1khiCuug8CJT
2) me reading the second paragraph out loud - https://voca.ro/1e0PtlYZjPSy
If you're from the US or Canada, I'd really appreciate you pointing out any mistakes I might've made during the recording. Big thanks in advance!

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This weekend, I finally had some time to work on my American pronunciation.

I watched a couple of videos about the so-called ''GOAT'' vowel, a diphthong you guys pronounce in the word ''goat''.

A few people have already pointed out that I tend to mispronounce this vowel, so this was my main focus yesterday.

Last summer was the first time I started working on my accent.

Back then, I had a rather thick Russian accent, and as with almost everything I undertake, I started learning about phonetics on my own.

I think a lot of people neglect this aspect of language learning and don't pay enough attention to their pronunciation at the very beginning, therefore ingraining incorrect pronunciation habits.

Unfortunately, I had also made that mistake, greatly increasing the amount of work I need tomust now put in in order to get toreach my goal, of speaking General American English.

In order to not make the same mistake again, I started working on my German pronunciation from day one.

Over time, I also learned to read IPA (International Phonetics Alphabet), which can come very handy when dealing with rare words and old dictionaries.

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To my ear, your pronunciation is much closer to British RP (əʊ) than generic American pronunciation (oʊ). There are some small pockets of the US that lean more toward the schwa (ə) sound at the start of the diphthong, notably in coastal North Carolina, but it is not the norm. If it's helpful, here's my native pronunciation of your example word list https://voca.ro/19FhKA2j2o6J

GOAT

This weekend, I finally had some time to work on my American pronunciation.

I watched a couple of videos about the so-called ''GOAT'' vowel, a diphthong you guys pronounce in the word ''goat''.

A few people have already pointed out that I tend to mispronounce this vowel, so this was my main focus yesterday.

Last summer was the first time I started working on my accent.

Back then, I had a rather thick Russian accent, and as with almost everything I undertake, I started learning about phonetics on my own.

I think a lot of people neglect this aspect of language learning and don't pay enough attention to their pronunciation at the very beginning, therefore ingraining incorrect pronunciation habits.

Unfortunately, I had also made that mistake, greatly increasing the amount of work I need to put in in order to get to my goal, speaking General American.

In order to not make the same mistake again, I started working on my German pronunciation from day one.

Over time, I also learned to read IPA (International Phonetics Alphabet), which can come very handy when dealing with rare words and old dictionaries.

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Oh no... that's actually the British pronunciation. I listened to the second vocaroo first, so when you said "on my OWN" I was like "Why did this suddenly switch from an American accent to an English accent?" xD
When you said "in order to" it was a little hard to understand, it got kind of slurred and became "inerjer to," I would enunciate the "or" in "order" longer and more clearly
I also agree with the rising intonation on some parts sound out of place, like when you say "undertake," and "mistake."
Some parts sound completely American, and in others I can hear the Russian come through (I think the pronunciation of R is a big factor), it's really interesting.

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gaezer

yesterday

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I have a few Canadian friends I've talked with but none who had an accent where they pronounced "goat" and such like that, but maybe in some specific areas they have this accent? But to me, it sounds straight up British.

GOAT

This weekend, I finally had some time to work on my American pronunciation.

I watched a couple of videos about the so-called ''GOAT'' vowel, a diphthong you guys pronounce in the word ''goat''.

A few people have already pointed out that I tend to mispronounce this vowel, so this was my main focus yesterday.

Last summer was the first time I started working on my accent.

Back then, I had a rather thick Russian accent, and as with almost everything I undertake, I started learning about phonetics on my own.

I think a lot of people neglect this aspect of language learning and don't pay enough attention to their pronunciation at the very beginning, therefore ingraining incorrect pronunciation habits.

Unfortunately, I had also made that mistake, greatly increasing the amount of work I need to put in in order to get to my goal, speaking General American.

In order to not make the same mistake again, I started working on my German pronunciation from day one.

Over time, I also learned to read IPA (International Phonetics Alphabet), which can come very handy when dealing with rare words and old dictionaries.

Feedback

Listening to the recording, I'm noticing your pronunciation of "o" is a bit odd, in all of those GOAT diphthongs but also words like "goal". However, I'm not a linguist and I barely know any IPA, so unfortunately, I can't really help much there. You also have a habit of raising your pitch at the end of some non-question sentences, which is generally something you want to try to avoid. Other than that, though, despite my nitpicks, your pronunciation is actually very good!

One very general piece of advice I can give, along with listening to native speakers and how they talk of course, is to simply listen to yourself. I used to pronounce many words really strangely, especially 'r' sounds like in "recording", until I finally started recording and listening back to videos of myself.

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I’m sorry, but that’s not a standard American pronunciation of “goat” (or of those other “long O” words). Here’s what I’m used to hearing:
https://media.merriam-webster.com/audio/prons/en/us/mp3/g/goat0001.mp3

Perhaps you’re going for a Canadian pronunciation? They do use some diphthongs where Americans don’t, although I have no idea how Canadians pronounce “goat.”

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Liag

yesterday

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If possible, I encourage you to use the source @JoeTofu provided to practice repeating all the words on your list.

Here are a few other practice suggestions to try:
1. Practice open vowels first: "go, no, so, oh," starting with real words.
2. Divide words on your list into two parts, so the first part has one letter and an open vowel: go--, bo--, co--, ro--, ho-- (Skip the words that start with two letters for now.) Practice those open vowel half words.
3. Add the endings to those words, but say the vowel sound for an extended time and almost whisper or swallow the end sound that you close down on. (My hypothesis is that the ending sounds may be contributing to the distortion of the vowel sounds before them.)
4. If you think your pronunciation is slipping as you are practicing, either drop back to repeat a practice you have mastered and then try again, or take a break.
5. Follow the same sequence with the words that start with two letters: "clo--, sto--, bro--, sp--, sm--, ch--"
6. Make another Vocaroo and compare with this one.
7. Make a new list of words that have the target sound in the beginning OR the middle, taking them from posts you have written on LangCorrect.

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I watched a couple of videos about the so-called ''GOAT'' vowel, a diphthong you guys pronounce in the word ''goat''.


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A few people have already pointed out that I tend to mispronounce this vowel, so this was my main focus yesterday.


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Last summer was the first time I started working on my accent.


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Back then, I had a rather thick Russian accent, and as with almost everything I undertake, I started learning about phonetics on my own.


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I think a lot of people neglect this aspect of language learning and don't pay enough attention to their pronunciation at the very beginning, therefore ingraining incorrect pronunciation habits.


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Unfortunately, I had also made that mistake, greatly increasing the amount of work I need to put in in order to get to my goal, speaking General American.


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Unfortunately, I had also made that mistake, greatly increasing the amount of work I need tomust now put in in order to get toreach my goal, of speaking General American English.

In order to not make the same mistake again, I started working on my German pronunciation from day one.


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Over time, I also learned to read IPA (International Phonetics Alphabet), which can come very handy when dealing with rare words and old dictionaries.


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