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W_K

Feb. 24, 2024

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« D'incolores idées dorées dorment furieusement »

Cette phrase bien connue de Noam Chomsky (« Colorless green ideas sleep furiously » en anglais, le lien ci-dessous), m'a rappelé mes abeilles. J’ai remplacé la couleur verte par dorée, mais même sans ce changement, elle m’aurait fait le même effet.

Les larves de l'abeille mellifère sont incolores, presque translucides. Ce sont toutes des femelles, puisqu’il n'y a pas de faux bourdons dans la ruche en hiver. Ce ne sont pas les abeilles réalisées, mais les idées d'abeilles, qui vont changer elles-mêmes en adultes quand le temps viendra.

De quoi rêvent-elles en dormant dans leurs petites cellules ? C'est une bonne question comme celle-ci : Les androïdes rêvent-ils de moutons électriques ? Je ne connais la réponse à aucune d'elles. Mais je sais que les larves rêvent furieusement. Les cellules sont trop étroites et l'hiver doux leur apporte l'odeur des champs qui se transformeront bientôt en prairies fleuries.

L’hiver doux m'inquiète énormément. Si les abeilles se réveillent trop tôt, elles risquent de mourir de faim, avant que je puisse les nourrir.

Dormez bien mes petites travailleuses ! J'arrive !

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ideas_sleep_furiously

Jacques Brel — j'arrive
https://youtu.be/vBHfoGrJLqI?si=SNeVeOoWgC1KHnni

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« D'incolores idées dorées dorment furieusement »

Cette phrase bien connue de Noam Chomsky (« Ccolorless green ideas sleep furiously » en anglais, le lien ci-dessous), m'a rappelé mes abeilles.

J’ai remplacé la couleur« vertes » par « dorées », mais même sans ce changement, elle m’aurait fait le même effet.

Better to directly quote the words (as lexical units) here

Les larves de l'abeille mellifère sont incolores, presque translucides.

Ce sont toutes des femelles, puisqu’il n'y a pas de faux bourdons dans la ruche en hiver.

Ce ne sont pas ldes abeilles réalisées, mais les idées d'abeillesin esse, mais in posse/in fieri, qui vont changer(par) elles-mêmes se transformer en adultes quand le temps viendra.

Some philosophical terms would be very fitting here
in esse = actually, in being ; in posse = in potentiality ; in fieri = in the making, becoming (they are not bees but one day they will turn into some
"des idées d'abeille" would sound a bit odd, because these bees aren't pure abstract ideas

De quoi rêvent-elles en dormant dans leurs petites cellu[alvéoles] ?

I guess you're referring to this: https://media.famillemary.fr/media/magefan_blog/2015/05/alv%C3%A9oles-300x200.jpg
these are called "alvéoles" in French

C'est une bonne question commque celle-ci : Lles androïdes rêvent-ils de moutons électriques ?

No uppercase after a colon

Je ne connais la réponse à aucune d'elles.

Mais je sais que les larves rêvent furieusement.

Les cellualvéoles sont trop étroites et l'hiver doux leur apporte l'es odeurs des champs qui se transformeront bientôt en prairies fleuries.

If you want something more poetic, implying it's a good smell => les parfums/les senteurs des champs [...]

L’hiver doux m'inquiète énormément.

Si les abeilles se réveillent trop tôt, elles risquent de mourir de faim, avant que je puisse les nourrir.

Dormez bien mes petites travailleuses !

J'arrive !

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ideas_sleep_furiously Jacques Brel — j'arrive https://youtu.be/vBHfoGrJLqI?si=SNeVeOoWgC1KHnni

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Bees build highly organized and militaristic societies with whole masses of slaves dedicating their lives to the hive. They must be hell-bent on world domination and dream about enslaving us... a bit like cats. Yes, tomorrow cats may rule the world, but not today. Today, gotta eat salmon and try to catch the goddamn laser pointer!

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W_K

Feb. 24, 2024

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You are talking about ants. Bees are soulful creatures. They smell flowers, they dance, they sacrifice themselves for the good of all.

No distinction between "bee comb" and "bee cell" in French?

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Monsieur_Elephant

Feb. 24, 2024

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But they also mercilessly wage wars against those attacking them and exterminate other queen candidates when then are mere larvae. A worker's life is expendable and dedicated to the hive. Many things, in Nature have two sides, because Nature herself is dual: poetic and cruel, noble and vile, tremendously beautiful but at times, horrifyingly ugly. The color nuances of blooming flowers, crocodiles eating their own spawns alive and spreading their guts all over the place... The same Nature produces both.

I do know about "cellules royales" but I don't know if any other type of cells are called "cellules". I'm not enough of an expert to resolve the issue, unfortunately.

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W_K

Feb. 24, 2024

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I don't know the English vocabulary related to beekeeping either.

Your approach to life seems a bit Manichean. I generally bow to Her Invisible Pinkness and try to be happy against the odds. 😀

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Monsieur_Elephant

Feb. 24, 2024

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I think Nature is amoral in the sense she's outside any right/wrong or good/bad logic, but to our own human understanding or judgement, she can be dual, interpreted as being both a negative and a positive thing. And in a lot of cultures, Nature has this dual aspect, she gives life but she also takes it when she sees fit. Then again, these are human judgements. Nature is about mere survival. Human civilization is about (or rather, SHOULD be) more than that.

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W_K

Feb. 24, 2024

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Your thoughtful note triggered something in me. Please understand it's about me, not about your note.

I'll try to describe my reaction and it's a difficult task, if only for the reason that a precise communication is an unattainable goal. In what you wrote, I see a certain approach to life's most profound questions that I'm somewhat dismissive about. I might have been damaged by a mixture of positivism, rationalism, reductionism and a late onset escapism and no longer I feel like tackling these questions. I'm also humbled by those who discussed these issues with deep knowledge and great skills. I often think that many of these questions could be reformulated or even exposed to being meaningless tautologies and our efforts should be directed to finding positive sides to existence. If that doesn't sound like an ode to self-deception, what does? :)

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Monsieur_Elephant

Feb. 24, 2024

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Well I was just answering to the "Manichean thinking" argument, I didn't mean to tackle the subject either!

Don't worry, I've been damaged by a lot of mister_elephantism... Since birth!

"I see a certain approach to life's most profound questions that I'm somewhat dismissive about"
But did you actually see something, or do you just think you saw? Have you seen the truth or mere shadows of a projection your deceiving spirit thinks is the truth? What is Mr. Elephant's approach to life? Does Mr. Elephant has one particular, definite approach to it, does life even need to be "approached"? And more importantly: why does he talk about himself in the third person singular?
So many questions, so little time...

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W_K

Feb. 24, 2024

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The answer to question who is Mr. Elephant is obvious: an sob who doesn't like bees. What else is there to add!

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W_K

Feb. 24, 2024

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😀!!!!!!!!!!

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Monsieur_Elephant

Feb. 24, 2024

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OMG now I'm exposed. I prefer the C but I do like Bs because otherwise, how would we get honey?
See, that's one of my approaches to life: eating honey!

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W_K

Feb. 24, 2024

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I'm usually sold out by the end of August, but this year I'll save a jar for you. Get a PO box.

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Monsieur_Elephant

Feb. 25, 2024

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Lol don't worry, but if there's a place I'm sure not to run out of (good) honey, it's the one I live in right now.
Thanks nevertheless for the kind offer!

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W_K

Feb. 25, 2024

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You are missing on tasting a product registered under l'Appellation d’origine protégée (AOP).

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Monsieur_Elephant

Feb. 25, 2024

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I only eat those haha
Miel du Morvan and such
Not the pseudo-"honey" from China, don't worry :-D

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W_K

Feb. 25, 2024

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And they are all the same. No need to to try camembert since I already tried brie.

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W_K

Feb. 25, 2024

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The invitation is open, the appellation still has to be confirmed. I fulfill the conditions, but have to order stringent tests, which are expensive. I sell what I got without the stamp anyway. And my honey is the best!

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Monsieur_Elephant

Feb. 25, 2024

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Once again, no thanks! I've got more sorts of honey around me than I'd have time to taste...
I'm not the only person in the world, you'll find customers, little salesman, don't worry :-D

Les cellules sont trop étroites et l'hiver doux leur apporte l'odeur des champs qui se transformeront bientôt en prairies fleuries.


Les cellualvéoles sont trop étroites et l'hiver doux leur apporte l'es odeurs des champs qui se transformeront bientôt en prairies fleuries.

If you want something more poetic, implying it's a good smell => les parfums/les senteurs des champs [...]

L’hiver doux m'inquiète énormément.


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Si les abeilles se réveillent trop tôt, elles risquent de mourir de faim, avant que je puisse les nourrir.


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Dormez bien mes petites travailleuses !


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J'arrive !


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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ideas_sleep_furiously Jacques Brel — j'arrive https://youtu.be/vBHfoGrJLqI?si=SNeVeOoWgC1KHnni


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« D'incolores idées dorée dorment furieusement »


« D'incolores idées dorées dorment furieusement »

Dors bien mes petites travailleuses !


« D'incolores idées dorées dorment furieusement »


Cette phrase bien connue de Noam Chomsky (« Colorless green ideas sleep furiously » en anglais, le lien ci-dessous), m'a rappelé mes abeilles.


Cette phrase bien connue de Noam Chomsky (« Ccolorless green ideas sleep furiously » en anglais, le lien ci-dessous), m'a rappelé mes abeilles.

J’ai remplacé la couleur verte par dorée, mais même sans ce changement, elle m’aurait fait le même effet.


J’ai remplacé la couleur« vertes » par « dorées », mais même sans ce changement, elle m’aurait fait le même effet.

Better to directly quote the words (as lexical units) here

Les larves de l'abeille mellifère sont incolores, presque translucides.


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Ce sont toutes des femelles, puisqu’il n'y a pas de faux bourdons dans la ruche en hiver.


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Ce ne sont pas les abeilles réalisées, mais les idées d'abeilles, qui vont changer elles-mêmes en adultes quand le temps viendra.


Ce ne sont pas ldes abeilles réalisées, mais les idées d'abeillesin esse, mais in posse/in fieri, qui vont changer(par) elles-mêmes se transformer en adultes quand le temps viendra.

Some philosophical terms would be very fitting here in esse = actually, in being ; in posse = in potentiality ; in fieri = in the making, becoming (they are not bees but one day they will turn into some "des idées d'abeille" would sound a bit odd, because these bees aren't pure abstract ideas

De quoi rêvent-elles en dormant dans leurs petites cellules ?


De quoi rêvent-elles en dormant dans leurs petites cellu[alvéoles] ?

I guess you're referring to this: https://media.famillemary.fr/media/magefan_blog/2015/05/alv%C3%A9oles-300x200.jpg these are called "alvéoles" in French

C'est une bonne question comme celle-ci : Les androïdes rêvent-ils de moutons électriques ?


C'est une bonne question commque celle-ci : Lles androïdes rêvent-ils de moutons électriques ?

No uppercase after a colon

Je ne connais la réponse à aucune d'elles.


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Mais je sais que les larves rêvent furieusement.


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